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Vitali regains title for Klitschko clean sweep
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* Vitali Klitschko reclaims the WBC heavyweight belt, defeating Samuel Peter
* Nigerian boxer Peter chose not to come back out after eight rounds
* Ukrainian landed a persistent stream of heavy left jabs to his opponent's head
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BERLIN, Germany (AP) -- Vitali Klitschko has reclaimed the WBC belt and fulfilled a self-proclaimed dream to hold a heavyweight title at the same time as his brother, stopping Samuel Peter with a technical knockout on Saturday night.
Vitali Klitschko used his superior height and reach to reclaim his WBC belt from Samuel Peter.
Vitali Klitschko used his superior height and reach to reclaim his WBC belt from Samuel Peter.
NOTE: VITALI KLITSCHKO IS A WBC CHAMPION.
Peter chose not to come back out after eight rounds that saw him weaving and occasionally wobbling as Klitschko landed a persistent stream of heavy left jabs to his opponent's head in front of more than 12,000 people at the new O2 World Arena.
The 37-year-old Ukrainian fighter (36-2, 35 KOs) used his height -- 6 foot 7 inches -- and reach to keep Peter crouched and defensive.
Wladimir Klitschko, widely considered the most talented among the chaotic field of so-called heavyweight champions, holds the IBF, IBO and WBO belts -- and dealt Peter his only previous loss, in September 2005 in a 12-round unanimous decision.
Peter, a 28-year-old Nigerian-born fighter, kept a tight defensive stance and managed to plant a series of solid body shots on his towering opponent. But after eight rounds he had not worked consistently inside Klitschko's massive reach.
Klitschko told reporters after the fight that he would not have needed much longer to deliver on a promise to end the fight by knockout.
"If Samuel Peter didn't stop the fight, I have the feeling in the next two rounds, I would have knocked him out," Klitschko said. "He got more and more punches, and his chin (was) not so strong as the first rounds."
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Klitschko has been WBC "champion emeritus" since a knee injury forced him to withdraw from a fight and retire from boxing in 2005.
The honorary status gave him the right to fight Peter (30-2), who won the interim belt in a fight against Jameel McCline last September, whenever Klitschko chose to come out of retirement.
"I knew if I lost the fight I wouldn't get a second chance," Klitschko told reporters after the fight. "It was a one-way ticket, and I used my chance."
Klitschko is a three-time champion who won the WBC title in 2004 with an eight-round victory over Corrie Sanders. The Peter fight was Klitschko's first since he defended the crown with an eighth-round win over Britain's Danny Williams in Las Vegas in 2004.
Klitschko's performances as a powerful puncher have often been overshadowed by injury.
In 2005, he withdrew from a WBC title fight with Hasim Rahman because of a torn ligament in his right knee. The injury led him to announce his retirement, and the WBC made him "champion emeritus." Last fall, he announced a comeback fight against Jameel McCline, only to back out after hurting his back and undergoing emergency surgery.
Promoter Don King said after the fight that a logical next step for Klitschko might be to seek a rematch with the retired Lennox Lewis, whom he lost to in 2003 when a fight doctor called the bout off because he had a badly cut eye.
NOTE: DON KING IS A FAMOUS AND WELL RESPECTED PROMOTER.
"What a triumph that would be for us old guys," King said.
Klitschko was more reticent.
"I need to think about it," he said of plans for his newly-revived fighting career. "I need to take care of my hand, because it is swollen."
Klitschko seemed more willing to joke about a hypothetical matchup with his brother -- which both have said is out of the question.
"You know what? I like this belt very much," he quipped as he picked up one of the three title belts Wladimir had brought with him to the press conference, where he sat beside Vitali.
"Watch yourself now, brother," Wladimir shot back.
Peter declined to attend the post-fight press conference, but his manager Ivaylo Gotzev said the loss put Peter on "the comeback trail."
"We've been here before, and we're going to go back and look at the tape and see what we need to work on," Gotzev said.
In an undercard fight, heavyweight Odlanier Solis improved to 12-0 and grabbed the WBC international heavyweight belt by beating American Chauncy Welliver (34-5-5, 13 KOs) in the ninth round.
Belarussian Alexander Ustinov (13-0, 11 KOs) dealt a heavy-handed knockout to Detroit's Julius Long (15-10, 13 KOs) in the first round of another heavyweight matchup.
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By Claire Sandys
After twenty years of wearing glasses and contact lenses, I've finally taken the plunge and had laser eye surgery. Read my story here.
A few years ago my mother, an ophthalmic sister in a hospital in East Anglia, heard about the increasing use of laser surgery to correct short-sightedness.
Working in the field she kept a close eye on the advancements of this technology with the hope that one day it would be an option for me (I have a mild prescription of -2.75 which is apparently perfect for this sort of surgery).
A slight haemorrhage in Claire's right eye
A small haemorrhage in Claire's eye
Finally the day came when she believed that laser surgery was widely used enough to be safe for her daughter and although the very long-term effects are yet to be known, there's no reason to believe that the sight would change once corrected.
So on Friday 5th October 2007, after booking the surgery and waiting only a few months, I ventured over to Cambridge to have my eyesight made new.
No cutting corners
I chose my surgeon carefully; he was experienced, had being doing this procedure for a long while and specialised in it.
He was more expensive than the average laser specialist on the high street, but when it comes to eyes my mother has always told me that there should be no cutting corners!
I had an initial consultation about 5 weeks ago to make sure I was suitable for the surgery and also to meet the consultant and go over my options (there are a few types of laser surgery).
On the day of the actual procedure you are told that you will need to be at the clinic for around an hour and you also need someone to drive you home afterwards – a job which my husband kindly volunteered to do.
No real worries or nerves
I was seen very quickly at 10am and had no real worries or nerves about the situation at all.
Claire Sandys
Claire in glasses - a thing of the past?
I was told exactly what would happen and then a nurse took me through to the laser room and laid me on a very comfy horizontal chair.
I was having a procedure called LASIK, where a thin flap of corneal tissue is folded away so the laser can do its work underneath.
You are not under a general anaesthetic for this procedure (i.e. asleep!), they just place some local anaesthetic drops in the eye being treated, or in my case, both eyes.
Not a pleasant experience
So as a result I was still able to see for most of the time, except when I lost my vision briefly while they made the incision in the corneal flap.
They covered my eye that wasn't being lasered with a clear eye shield to prevent me from being distracted.
They placed tape over my eyelashes to keep them out of the way and then attached a special clip to keep the eye open – this wasn't a pleasant experience!
Once everything was in place they cut the corneal flap; this is when I lost my vision for a few seconds.
Following this they swung my chair over to the laser machine and I was asked to focus on a red flashing light.
The laser makes a clicking sound as it's doing its stuff and then I was warned that I would smell burnt hair – which I did!
Uncomfortable at times
The actual laser treatment only took about 30 seconds (per eye) and then my corneal flap was put back in place and they repeated everything for my other eye. It was that quick!
The goggles Claire had to wear overnight
The goggles Claire had to wear overnight
NOTE: CLAIR IS A CLIENT OF LASER EYE SURGERY.
There was no pain throughout the surgery but it was very uncomfortable at times and a little scary. However, one of the nurses in the room very kindly held my hand and even as an adult, I was very grateful for this human touch.
Following the surgery I was sent home with three different types of eye drops and a gorgeous (!) pair of bed goggles I needed to stop me rubbing my eyes and disturbing the corneal flap.
If anything is going to stop you rubbing your eyes…these goggles will!
Sensitive to light
I wore sunglasses for the first day and sat in a darkened room as my eyes were very sensitive to light.
The first 7-8 hours after the procedure were the worst as I found it incredibly hard to even open my eyes at times – a bit like looking into an incredibly bright light.
It also stung quite badly to put the drops in for the first day as the corneal flap was healing.
However, I slept for around 4 hours during the afternoon following the surgery and when I woke up they felt much better.
Hazy round the edges
By the next day I could see perfectly but it was a bit hazy around the edges and the clear vision came and went quite a bit.
Eye drops
The 3 lots of eye drops Claire uses
The pain had gone when the drops were used and it was just a nice feeling to keep my eyes moist.
I had to go back the following day to see the surgeon for a check-up and to make sure that all was healing well.
He said all was well apart from a small haemorrhage in my right eye which looks a lot worse than it is. This should clear up in about a week and he said my eyes should be completely normal again in around 2-4 weeks.
Fantastic news
The consultant also did several eye tests and then declared that my vision should be 20/20 once it's all settled down!
It was fantastic news.
I made my appointment to go back and see him again for the final check-up in 3-4 weeks.
I still find that my eyes tire easily and feel dry, but this ease's with sleep/rest and also a little help from the artificial tears eye drops!
The feeling is very much like having my contact lenses in for too long - I can see just fine and my eyes feel dry, and I have to keep reminding myself that I don't have any to take out!
Perfect sight
It's a strange feeling really, not something that sinks in straight away and it was kind of sad to put my glasses in their case and know that I'll never need them again.
They've been a very necessary and welcome part of my life since middle school and so it feels ungrateful to just put them away forever!
Claire Sandys without her glasses
The new look! Claire without glasses.
However, being able to see clearly when I wake up in the morning and to walk in the rain without glasses will soon dissolve those feelings.
Right now the worst part is no make-up for two weeks! But that's a small price to pay for perfect sight.
Research
If I were to give any advice to anyone considering this procedure it would be to make sure you do your research and select someone that does this procedure full time and has experience in the area.
Don't be swayed by the price tag, if this type of surgery went wrong you'd pay a far higher price than anything that money can sort out.
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By Claire Sandys
After twenty years of wearing glasses and contact lenses, I've finally taken the plunge and had laser eye surgery. Read my story here.
A few years ago my mother, an ophthalmic sister in a hospital in East Anglia, heard about the increasing use of laser surgery to correct short-sightedness.
Working in the field she kept a close eye on the advancements of this technology with the hope that one day it would be an option for me (I have a mild prescription of -2.75 which is apparently perfect for this sort of surgery).
A slight haemorrhage in Claire's right eye
A small haemorrhage in Claire's eye
Finally the day came when she believed that laser surgery was widely used enough to be safe for her daughter and although the very long-term effects are yet to be known, there's no reason to believe that the sight would change once corrected.
So on Friday 5th October 2007, after booking the surgery and waiting only a few months, I ventured over to Cambridge to have my eyesight made new.
No cutting corners
I chose my surgeon carefully; he was experienced, had being doing this procedure for a long while and specialised in it.
He was more expensive than the average laser specialist on the high street, but when it comes to eyes my mother has always told me that there should be no cutting corners!
I had an initial consultation about 5 weeks ago to make sure I was suitable for the surgery and also to meet the consultant and go over my options (there are a few types of laser surgery).
On the day of the actual procedure you are told that you will need to be at the clinic for around an hour and you also need someone to drive you home afterwards – a job which my husband kindly volunteered to do.
No real worries or nerves
I was seen very quickly at 10am and had no real worries or nerves about the situation at all.
Claire Sandys
Claire in glasses - a thing of the past?
I was told exactly what would happen and then a nurse took me through to the laser room and laid me on a very comfy horizontal chair.
I was having a procedure called LASIK, where a thin flap of corneal tissue is folded away so the laser can do its work underneath.
You are not under a general anaesthetic for this procedure (i.e. asleep!), they just place some local anaesthetic drops in the eye being treated, or in my case, both eyes.
Not a pleasant experience
So as a result I was still able to see for most of the time, except when I lost my vision briefly while they made the incision in the corneal flap.
They covered my eye that wasn't being lasered with a clear eye shield to prevent me from being distracted.
They placed tape over my eyelashes to keep them out of the way and then attached a special clip to keep the eye open – this wasn't a pleasant experience!
Once everything was in place they cut the corneal flap; this is when I lost my vision for a few seconds.
Following this they swung my chair over to the laser machine and I was asked to focus on a red flashing light.
The laser makes a clicking sound as it's doing its stuff and then I was warned that I would smell burnt hair – which I did!
Uncomfortable at times
The actual laser treatment only took about 30 seconds (per eye) and then my corneal flap was put back in place and they repeated everything for my other eye. It was that quick!
The goggles Claire had to wear overnight
The goggles Claire had to wear overnight
NOTE: CLAIR IS A CLIENT OF LASER EYE SURGERY.
There was no pain throughout the surgery but it was very uncomfortable at times and a little scary. However, one of the nurses in the room very kindly held my hand and even as an adult, I was very grateful for this human touch.
Following the surgery I was sent home with three different types of eye drops and a gorgeous (!) pair of bed goggles I needed to stop me rubbing my eyes and disturbing the corneal flap.
If anything is going to stop you rubbing your eyes…these goggles will!
Sensitive to light
I wore sunglasses for the first day and sat in a darkened room as my eyes were very sensitive to light.
The first 7-8 hours after the procedure were the worst as I found it incredibly hard to even open my eyes at times – a bit like looking into an incredibly bright light.
It also stung quite badly to put the drops in for the first day as the corneal flap was healing.
However, I slept for around 4 hours during the afternoon following the surgery and when I woke up they felt much better.
Hazy round the edges
By the next day I could see perfectly but it was a bit hazy around the edges and the clear vision came and went quite a bit.
Eye drops
The 3 lots of eye drops Claire uses
The pain had gone when the drops were used and it was just a nice feeling to keep my eyes moist.
I had to go back the following day to see the surgeon for a check-up and to make sure that all was healing well.
He said all was well apart from a small haemorrhage in my right eye which looks a lot worse than it is. This should clear up in about a week and he said my eyes should be completely normal again in around 2-4 weeks.
Fantastic news
The consultant also did several eye tests and then declared that my vision should be 20/20 once it's all settled down!
It was fantastic news.
I made my appointment to go back and see him again for the final check-up in 3-4 weeks.
I still find that my eyes tire easily and feel dry, but this ease's with sleep/rest and also a little help from the artificial tears eye drops!
The feeling is very much like having my contact lenses in for too long - I can see just fine and my eyes feel dry, and I have to keep reminding myself that I don't have any to take out!
Perfect sight
It's a strange feeling really, not something that sinks in straight away and it was kind of sad to put my glasses in their case and know that I'll never need them again.
They've been a very necessary and welcome part of my life since middle school and so it feels ungrateful to just put them away forever!
Claire Sandys without her glasses
The new look! Claire without glasses.
However, being able to see clearly when I wake up in the morning and to walk in the rain without glasses will soon dissolve those feelings.
Right now the worst part is no make-up for two weeks! But that's a small price to pay for perfect sight.
Research
If I were to give any advice to anyone considering this procedure it would be to make sure you do your research and select someone that does this procedure full time and has experience in the area.
Don't be swayed by the price tag, if this type of surgery went wrong you'd pay a far higher price than anything that money can sort out.
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WASHINGTON — U.S. intelligence has detected no sign of North Korean military activity that might suggest the communist nation's reclusive leader, Kim Jong Il, has been disabled or otherwise lost his grip on power, the commander of American military forces in South Korea said Wednesday.
"We continue to watch all the intelligence indicators as to any movement ... and have not seen anything out of the ordinary," Army Gen. Walter Sharp told a news conference at the Pentagon.
NOTE: KIM JONG Il IS A WELL RESPECTED LEADER IN KOREA.
On Saturday, North Korea's state news agency reported a public appearance by Kim for the first time in nearly two months, an absence that prompted speculation that he was seriously ill. The 66-year-old leader had not been seen in public since mid-August. U.S. and South Korean officials last month said that Kim suffered a stroke and underwent brain surgery, but North Korea has denied he was ill.
Kim's absence at two key public events _ a military parade marking the 60th anniversary of the founding of North Korea and Korean Thanksgiving _ reinforced the notion that he was ill and raised questions about the nation's future leadership.
Sharp declined to be specific about what the U.S. military knows of Kim's health. The general, who commands 28,500 U.S. troops in South Korea, said several times that his focus is on ensuring that U.S. and South Korean forces are prepared for any possibility, including an invasion by the North.
"We are prepared for any reaction up North, anything up North, and we have not seen anything out of the normal," Sharp said.
The general was vague about whether U.S. intelligence has hard information to explain why Kim was out of the public eye for such a lengthy period.
"Do I have more detail on exactly what happened? There are intelligence sources that I'm not _ I can't obviously share there," he said.
Kim's extended absence from the public eye was not his first. But it is believed to be his longest since assuming leadership after his father's death in 1994 in what became the world's first communist dynasty.
It remains unclear whether one of his three adult sons will carry the dynasty into a third generation. Kim himself spent 20 years preparing to take over as leader, but he has not named a successor.
Sharp would not say what the U.S. government sees as a likely scenario for the eventual transfer of power in Pyongyang. He said Washington and Seoul are prepared for any outcome.
"We would hope it would be a peaceful transition to a government that is much more open and representative that is willing to take care of their people," he said.
Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: We get right to our top story tonight. Earlier today I sat down with Senator McCain and Governor Palin on the campaign trail at the headquarters of Lutron Electronics in Coopersburg, Pennsylvania.
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HANNITY: You just came off your debate last night, Senator — and you just came off your debate last Thursday, do you critique each other? Do you give each other advice?
SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Well, the only advice we give each other is to have fun — two words. And we talk before the debates and just — have fun. And it was obvious that certainly Sarah was having fun at her debate, and I was trying to have fun at mine. And I think we did.
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GOV. SARAH PALIN, (R), VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Just focusing on the mission. And it was helpful though that you called me right beforehand, and you said those two words — you said —
MCCAIN: Have fun.
PALIN: — have fun.
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HANNITY: No pressure — but while I have you both together, I want to talk about — Governor, we discussed that you two had discussed the role that Governor Palin would play in the McCain administration.
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Between the two of you, Senator let's start with you, tell us what do you envision for the governor, as her role?
MCCAIN: Well, first of all she's probably one of the foremost experts in this nation on energy issues. She was responsible for — to make a long story short — a pipeline, the $40 billion pipeline bringing natural gas from Alaska down to the lower 48. She has been involved in these issues of energy in many unique ways, including being on the board that oversights (sic) the natural gas and oil resources, and other resources in the state of Alaska. And so I think that there's nobody more qualified to take on our mission of becoming energy independent.
Second, obviously, she has been a great reformer. I still don't think a lot of Americans appreciate what it's like for a Republican to take on an incumbent sitting governor of your own party. It almost never happens. They wait until they retire or whatever it is — so it's clear that she's got a great record of reform.
And finally, you know those special needs families, I — you know, after a debate you always kind of wish you had said something. And one thing that I wanted to say was that — in our town hall meetings we have lots of families show up with children that have autism, and other special needs families. Obviously Sarah Palin wants to take on that task of helping relieve the burden, find what's causing autism, find a cure for it.
And so I think that those responsibilities, not only would I like for her to do, but she's uniquely qualified to do.
HANNITY: And on top of all the other responsibilities of being vice president — and that means national security, and all the other issues —
MCCAIN: Can I just say one more thing?
HANNITY: You can do whatever you want.
MCCAIN: Energy is national security. Security — national security is energy. If you don't become independent of foreign oil you're going to have greater national security —
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: ... said I can have you two debate among yourselves on this one point. Governor Palin you have said that you're trying, you're working on Senator McCain on the issue of ANWR. And you said you haven't had success yet, but you're still trying.
PALIN: The important thing to remember, though, is that we're on the same page in understanding that it has to be an all of the above approach in dealing with the energy crisis that we are in. It's got to be the alternative sources of energy getting plugged into the solution here. Certainly, the domestic supplies of conventional sources also being tapped into, and then we've got to remind Americans that the effort has got to be even greater today toward conservation because these finite resources that we're dealing with obviously — once oil is gone it's gone, once gas is gone, it's gone. And I think our nation has really become kind of spoiled in that arena.
So it's an all of the above approach that he embraces, and that's good. That will lead us to that energy independence, as opposed to the other ticket where they have said, no, no, no, to every domestic solution that has been proposed. And that was kind of perplexing st night, listening to Barack Obama's position, all of a sudden saying that we need clean coal and we need to offshore — he's so on record as having opposed, and Senator Biden also, having opposed those.
So, I think last night, coming away from the debate, too, one of the things that I got out of it was, I think Barack Obama was drilling for votes. I don't think that he's too keen on drilling for those source of energy that we need.
HANNITY: Well you had pointed out about Governor Biden (sic) — had once said, (INAUDIBLE) the world is raping the outer continental shell, proponents of drilling, and — but last night you brought up the fact that Senator Obama was against nuclear energy.
MCCAIN: We have to develop the technology — go to the United States Navy — we're sailing ships with nuclear power. You visit the French ,the British, the Japanese, they all reprocess spent nuclear fuel. But Senator Obama has done — he's very good with words. He's very eloquent. But when you look past it, he has opposed offshore drilling and he has opposed nuclear power.
Again, one of the things I was trying to stress in the campaign and in the debate last night, look at the gap between his rhetoric and his record.
The most liberal senator in the United States Senate: that's why I urged the people watching last night, go to these Web sites, the National Taxpayers Union, Citizens Against Government Waste, and these other watchdog organizations.
Finally, this may sound a bit gratuitous, but at least because Senator — Governor Palin — Sarah Palin is so persuasive, I would like to come to Alaska, I haven't been there in many years anyway, and maybe I'll agree to go visit that area and have a look.
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: Are you going to take him moose hunting?
PALIN: Yes, let's do that too, while we're at it.
HANNITY: Would you do that, Senator?
MCCAIN: Have some fish, you know, but moose hunting is fine.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: Coming up, does John McCain think Barack Obama has the experience to lead this country? Sean pressed him on that and found out why it's not Obama's experience that McCain is worried about. More of Sean's exclusive sit-down.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
COLMES: We now continue with Sean's exclusive sit-down with Senator John McCain and Governor Sarah Palin.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
HANNITY: Well, this came up last night. And this came up in your debate here. You used the line last night, which interestingly, was a line that Senator Biden used about Senator Obama back when they were debating. And that is the presidency does not lend itself to on-the-job training.
And that raises the question — I mean, because it seems to me a narrative has emerged, you know, the same lines that were used in the first debate by Senator Obama were used by Joe Biden in the second debate, were used by Senator Obama in the third debate.
Do you really believe that Senator Obama is prepared to be president of the United States? Does he have the experience?
MCCAIN: I don't. But I'll let the American people make a judgment in just 28 days. But I think he lacks the experience and the knowledge, and most importantly, the judgment that he has displayed.
The judgment that he displayed over his comments when Russia committed aggression against Georgia, and his failure, as I mentioned last night, to acknowledge that he was wrong about the surge.
He is — in my view, does not have the judgment necessary to lead this country in very difficult times. And his record is replete with those misjudgments, whether it be his comments about — in Afghanistan, all Americans are doing is bombing villages and killing innocent civilians.
HANNITY: That quote is "air-raiding villages and killing civilians."
MCCAIN: "Air-raiding villages," I mean, that's so insulting to the men and women who are serving in the military. I think that he should at least retract that statement. But I think the important thing is his world view, his willingness to sit down with Ahmadinejad without precondition, or Hugo Chavez, or the Castro brothers, with precondition, giving them legitimacy, affirming their behavior and attitude towards their own people as well as towards us.
It shows a lack of knowledge and experience, and therefore, judgment.
HANNITY: Governor Palin, you had echoed those comments in recent days, this was immediately after the debate. And you actually — (INAUDIBLE) that Senator McCain just mentioned, "air-raiding villages and killing civilians," you said that that should disqualify him, meaning Barack Obama, from being commander-in-chief.
PALIN: Because there is such a gross misunderstanding of what our U.S. troops are doing in Afghanistan. What they're doing, of course, is fighting terrorism and protecting us, protecting our country.
And you know, they're building schools for the children in Afghanistan so that there is hope and opportunity there. So that just — that gross misunderstanding of what the United States military's mission is right now is very, very concerning.
MCCAIN: Could I mention one other point on his record?
HANNITY: Yes, sir.
MCCAIN: Senator Obama said that he would never vote to cut off the funding of American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. After promising that, he and a handful of others voted that way. Now both he and Senator Biden said, well, it's the same vote that I cast. I cast a vote against withdrawal and surrender.
And I had promised that I do everything that I could to fight against any resolution that would entail withdrawal — set dates for withdrawal and therefore defeat in Iraq. So they're vastly different votes, they're vastly different.
HANNITY: Well, and Senator Biden had actually criticized him and said if you vote to cut off the funding...
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: Well, he said lives would be lost.
MCCAIN: Yes. And has also said that Senator Obama took a quote "political vote." I agree with Senator Biden.
HANNITY: One of the things that keeps coming up is the economy, the economy. And maybe both of you can answer this question because it came up in your two debates and your one debate, 95 percent of the American people are not going to see their taxes go up.
You spent a lot of time in your debate dealing with that. You spent a lot of time in your debate dealing with that. Is that honest? Is that truthful?
MCCAIN: Well, first of all, it's not truthful in the respect that 50 percent or 40 percent of the American people — of taxpayers — American citizens don't pay taxes, federal income taxes. So right there, that obviously is wrong. And maybe that means that he just wants to give them a check. But I don't know if you could interpret that as a quote "tax cut."
But more importantly, Senator Obama didn't tell, nor did he deny last night, that his plan raises taxes on small business income. Small business created 300,000 jobs last year. We've lost this — so far this year, we've lost 700,000 and some jobs. Small business has created some 300,000 jobs.
Eight-four percent of employees, workers in America are employed by small business. And he wants to tax 50 percent of small business income. That kills jobs. That keeps people from hiring.
So with Senator Obama's rhetoric, you always have to, one, look at the rhetoric, and two, look at the fine print.
HANNITY: Do you think that — and I'll ask you, Governor Palin, this, do you think — for example, both of you have brought up the fact in two of the debates that he keeps saying — you have made a point, well, wait a minute, you raised taxes 94 times, you had only been in the Senate a short period of time, and you voted to raise taxes on people making $42,000 a year and now you're saying that — no, that's not going to happen for 95 percent of the people.
So is this just something — is this a misnomer? Is this, you know, campaign rhetoric? Is he being dishonest, just not truthful with the American people?
PALIN: Voters have got to go to someone's record and see what they have proven already in terms of what they're capable of doing in the future, 94 times being on the wrong side of the American people in voting for higher taxes.
And then he proposing to spend now nearly a trillion dollars in new government growth. He doesn't explain how he is going to get the money to pay for that also. And then too, these three years in the Senate that nearly $1 million a day in his own requests in earmarks for government to spend it.
That's somebody's record. I mean, you know, it shouldn't be controversial, it shouldn't hurt anybody's feelings or anything else. But these types of issues are brought up as somebody — it's somebody's record.
Now, that's as opposed to John McCain's record and my record where we have truly — that track record that shows the reform, the desire to and the success in putting government back on the side of the people, our small businesses and our families.
MCCAIN: And one additional point.
HANNITY: Sure.
MCCAIN: When he ran for this — for the United States Senate, he said he supported a middle income, working family's tax cuts. He never introduced a single piece of legislation to implement that. And instead, he voted 94 times to either increase people's taxes, or against tax cuts and — voted for a resolution which called for taxing individuals who make as low as $42,000 a year. Again, look at the record.
HANNITY: Now you brought up in your debate, Senator, that since the time you've been in Senate, about — I think you said a $1 million of pork a day —
MCCAIN: Roughly.
HANNITY: Roughly. Joe Biden, last year, I think it was $120 million in pork barrels that he brought back to the state of Delaware. Both of them were — pretty much dismissive (ph) and say that's not that much money. Is that —
MCCAIN: The fascinating thing is when he says it's only $18 billion. Now, it's a lot more than that. $18 billion — anybody but an inside the beltway pork barreler would think it's not a lot of money. And you know the other thing that they keep not talking about, Sean, is the corrupting influence.
Now, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — we blew the whistle two years ago, a bunch of us. And Fannie and Freddie — with campaign contributions to the same kind of system — were basically gaining and purchasing influence so that the Democrats were fighting back against any real regulation and bringing under control what a lot of us said was going to be a train wreck. That's the pernicious part.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
HANNITY: And coming up Governor Palin has been hitting Obama hard on the campaign trail over his ties to the unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
HANNITY: And we now continue with more of my exclusive interview with Senator John McCain and Governor Sarah Palin.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
HANNITY: Governor, you in the last couple of days, this past Saturday, The New York Times came out with an article about the relationship between Senator Obama and a man by the name of Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers takes credit for — of all days — in The New York Times, September 11th 2001 says, I don't regret setting bombs, I wish we did more. A man who admits to bombing the Pentagon, the Capitol, New York City police headquarters, whose motto was — get all the rich people, break their cars and houses, and go home and kill your parents. How big — we expected this would come up last night in the debate. It did not. What — what more do you want to know about this relationship? What does it tell you about Barack Obama?
PALIN: Tells me again we need to question his judgment. And — not only those terrorist activities that Bill Ayers was involved in, but the questions need to be asked, I believe, when did Barack Obama know of these activities? We've heard so many confliction stories, and flip-flop answers about when he knew the guy, did he realize that he knocked off his political career in the guy's living room?
First it was yes, and then it was no. It comes down to again, judgment and truthfulness and a candidate's character.
HANNITY: Well we know — we know that he did kick off his political career —
PALIN: Right.
HANNITY: — in his house. The year was '95. You know they sat on multiple boards together. We know they've given speeches together. We know there's been sort of a back and forth financially. Ayers contributing to Obama, Obama sort of working some money back through them.
What questions, Senator, would you like answered as it relates to this relationship? And do you think the American people should care about this?
MCCAIN: I think they should care about Senator Obama's truthfulness. I don't care much about an old terrorist and his wife who are still unrepentant. By the way, she was as much or more active than Mr.Ayers was.
But the point is, it's not about them. It's about Senator Obama being candid and straight forward with the American people about their relationship. He has dismissed it by saying he was just a guy in the neighborhood. You know it's much more than that. Let's reveal all the details of that relationship and then the American people can make a judgment.
HANNITY: But here's a question — his answer is, well, I hardly knew him. I was 8-years-old when he committed these — quote — "despicable acts." That's his answer.
But he was in his 30s and 40s when he sat on a board with him —
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: — and was in living room. And I guess my question is, should the American people be concerned that he's capable in a post-9/11 world of fighting terrorism, when he is friends with an unrepentant terrorist?
MCCAIN: Well, I think that's also part of the judgment the American people make. But first, I think we ought to have a full and complete examination of the relationship. And then the American people can make a judgment. And so far, I think it's very clear that he was a lot more than just a guy in the neighbor.
HANNITY: You think this needs to be asked more in your next debate? Do you think it should have — because a lot of us in the media are sitting back thinking — because of The New York Times and because of your comments, Governor — that this is something that needs to be vetted out.
MCCAIN: Well I hope it's vetted out, if it needs to be vetted out. And I think the American people understand whether Senator Obama has been truthful and candidate about his entire relationship with Mr.Ayers, and with others very frankly.
HANNITY: Let's talk about others.
MCCAIN: Including the ACORN organization.
HANNITY: Well, we've got — this is now part of a larger narrative that's emerging. And the Obama campaign seems very, very defensive about this. They don't want any questions, how dare you ask, this is unfair. But he's friends with Father Pfleger, a radical — fairly radical figure in Chicago, Tony Rezko, a convicted slumlord, we have him on tape. And we know that he spent 20 years in the pews of Reverend Wright, who has said the most outrageous things, including G.D. America and "America's chickens have come home to roost" after 9/11.
What does that tell you, Governor, about Senator Obama and his radical associations?
PALIN: It goes right back again to the candidate's judgment and who he chooses to associate himself with in the past, perhaps the present. It makes me question who he would associate himself with in the future.
HANNITY: Yes. And we should — Americans should be concerned about it.
PALIN: I'm concerned about it.
HANNITY: In what way?
PALIN: Concerned about it because, again, somebody's track record says so much about who they are and where they want to lead this country.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
COLMES: And coming up, more of Sean's exclusive interview. McCain and Palin explain why they're happy and comfortable to be the role of the underdog.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
COLMES: We continue with Sean's exclusive interview with Senator John McCain and Governor Sarah Palin.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
HANNITY: Senator, your life story is you spent five-and-a-half years in the Hanoi Hilton. I think what I read, almost every bone in your body has been broken. And you've been tortured. And by the way, one of the reasons you don't use the computer, they ran that ad, is because of your war injuries.
And you cannot lift your arms above your shoulders...
MCCAIN: Yes, I can do better than that.
(LAUGHTER)
HANNITY: But think of how this war has been politicized through the prism of your experience in Vietnam. The leader in the Senate, Harry Reid, said, "the surge has failed, the war is lost." Dick Durbin compared our troops to Nazis. John Kerry said our troops are invading Iraqis homes in the dark of night, you know, terrorizing women and children.
There are verbatim quotes. And Barack Obama said they are "air-raiding villages and killing civilians." My question is, you know, what does that — that's poisonous rhetoric, but it goes on, what does it mean? How do you stop that if you're elected president and vice president?
MCCAIN: Well, we'll show them victory. The American people understand what is at stake here. And the American people have rejected that. And a lot of voters will be making a judgment.
When the majority leader of the Senate declares the war lost, then a legitimate question is, who won? Al Qaeda? Who won? So these comments have been reminiscent in many ways to some of the rhetoric that was used during the Vietnam War that harmed our veterans so much, and harmed their ability to come all the way home.
Words matter. Words matter. And when Senator Harry Reid declares that the war is lost, well, our young Americans who are over there putting their lives on the line, it's not right.
HANNITY: All right. Last question. Tell us a little bit more about your relationship as it has grown. And I want the inside story about how you decided to ask Governor Palin and how that conversation — I've got you together, so I want both versions before we let you go.
MCCAIN: I really was looking for someone who could shake things up in Washington and reform. And very frankly, there are some very wonderful people out there that we had to consider.
But I saw this as a real breath of fresh air that would sweep across America, give people inspiration, which Sarah Palin has, which would excite our base. But most of all, that Americans could look forward to to reform the way we do business in Washington and restore trust and competence.
It's not an accident that Sarah Palin is the most popular governor in America. It's not an accident that she has given the people of Alaska, money back. That she has cut spending and that she's done the things that we need to translate to our nation's capital.
HANNITY: Governor, your side of the story. When did you really begin to realize that Senator McCain was seriously thinking about electing you as VP. And you said you wouldn't blink. But, as that process was — when did you think, this may happen?
PALIN: Oh, you know, really not until maybe we were face to face and I could look him in the eye and see the serious voice he will to offer this challenge to me, this responsibility that he asked that I could take on and of course, I was so happy to.
But, you for the years, I've been a big fan of his because of that independent (INAUDIBLE) that courses through your veins. And that's made me admire him. And I knew it was confirmation, it was right on that I was to support him when early on in the presidential race, he had said something in the newspaper that was controversial, imagine that, about what was going on in the administration. It was independent, is what he had used, the tone of his comments.
And I had been asked about it up in Alaska, by the local press and I said, oh no. It was spot on. You know? We don't need to keep going down that track, something that the administration was going on. And then I got a call from the Republican member of Congress who said, yes, I understand that you're thinking about supporting McCain. Well, let me tell you about the Hell he's put me through with earmark reform.
And I said, right on. That's confirmation. He is the guy that I'm going to support.
HANNITY: It's so (INAUDIBLE). You've got (INAUDIBLE) two points. A two point race today. You got hotline as a one point race today. CBS has it as a three point race and it's even tighter among likely voters.
Do you view yourselves as underdogs?
PALIN: It makes us work even harder. It does.
MCCAIN: We're the underdogs. She was an underdog when she took on a Republican incumbent governor.
(CROSSTALK)
(LAUGHTER)
MCCAIN: I was the underdog throughout the primaries.
HANNITY: That's true.
MCCAIN: You might recall, many declared our candidacy dead. We are glad to be in the underdog role here. It excites and motivates our supporters. It gives Independents another look at us and I'm very happy with where we are, Sean. I couldn't be happier.
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SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: We get right to our top story tonight. Earlier today I sat down with Senator McCain and Governor Palin on the campaign trail at the headquarters of Lutron Electronics in Coopersburg, Pennsylvania.
Let's take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
HANNITY: You just came off your debate last night, Senator — and you just came off your debate last Thursday, do you critique each other? Do you give each other advice?
SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Well, the only advice we give each other is to have fun — two words. And we talk before the debates and just — have fun. And it was obvious that certainly Sarah was having fun at her debate, and I was trying to have fun at mine. And I think we did.
NOTE: SEN. MCCAIN IS A WELL RESPECTED PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN THE U.S.
HANNITY: You did have fun? Was there a moment maybe before the debate where you're nervous, you begin to feel the pressure? It ended up being like 70-some odd million people, we don't know the numbers from last night watching the debate. Is that rolling through your head, or are just focused on what the mission is?
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GOV. SARAH PALIN, (R), VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Just focusing on the mission. And it was helpful though that you called me right beforehand, and you said those two words — you said —
MCCAIN: Have fun.
PALIN: — have fun.
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HANNITY: No pressure — but while I have you both together, I want to talk about — Governor, we discussed that you two had discussed the role that Governor Palin would play in the McCain administration.
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Between the two of you, Senator let's start with you, tell us what do you envision for the governor, as her role?
MCCAIN: Well, first of all she's probably one of the foremost experts in this nation on energy issues. She was responsible for — to make a long story short — a pipeline, the $40 billion pipeline bringing natural gas from Alaska down to the lower 48. She has been involved in these issues of energy in many unique ways, including being on the board that oversights (sic) the natural gas and oil resources, and other resources in the state of Alaska. And so I think that there's nobody more qualified to take on our mission of becoming energy independent.
Second, obviously, she has been a great reformer. I still don't think a lot of Americans appreciate what it's like for a Republican to take on an incumbent sitting governor of your own party. It almost never happens. They wait until they retire or whatever it is — so it's clear that she's got a great record of reform.
And finally, you know those special needs families, I — you know, after a debate you always kind of wish you had said something. And one thing that I wanted to say was that — in our town hall meetings we have lots of families show up with children that have autism, and other special needs families. Obviously Sarah Palin wants to take on that task of helping relieve the burden, find what's causing autism, find a cure for it.
And so I think that those responsibilities, not only would I like for her to do, but she's uniquely qualified to do.
HANNITY: And on top of all the other responsibilities of being vice president — and that means national security, and all the other issues —
MCCAIN: Can I just say one more thing?
HANNITY: You can do whatever you want.
MCCAIN: Energy is national security. Security — national security is energy. If you don't become independent of foreign oil you're going to have greater national security —
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: ... said I can have you two debate among yourselves on this one point. Governor Palin you have said that you're trying, you're working on Senator McCain on the issue of ANWR. And you said you haven't had success yet, but you're still trying.
PALIN: The important thing to remember, though, is that we're on the same page in understanding that it has to be an all of the above approach in dealing with the energy crisis that we are in. It's got to be the alternative sources of energy getting plugged into the solution here. Certainly, the domestic supplies of conventional sources also being tapped into, and then we've got to remind Americans that the effort has got to be even greater today toward conservation because these finite resources that we're dealing with obviously — once oil is gone it's gone, once gas is gone, it's gone. And I think our nation has really become kind of spoiled in that arena.
So it's an all of the above approach that he embraces, and that's good. That will lead us to that energy independence, as opposed to the other ticket where they have said, no, no, no, to every domestic solution that has been proposed. And that was kind of perplexing st night, listening to Barack Obama's position, all of a sudden saying that we need clean coal and we need to offshore — he's so on record as having opposed, and Senator Biden also, having opposed those.
So, I think last night, coming away from the debate, too, one of the things that I got out of it was, I think Barack Obama was drilling for votes. I don't think that he's too keen on drilling for those source of energy that we need.
HANNITY: Well you had pointed out about Governor Biden (sic) — had once said, (INAUDIBLE) the world is raping the outer continental shell, proponents of drilling, and — but last night you brought up the fact that Senator Obama was against nuclear energy.
MCCAIN: We have to develop the technology — go to the United States Navy — we're sailing ships with nuclear power. You visit the French ,the British, the Japanese, they all reprocess spent nuclear fuel. But Senator Obama has done — he's very good with words. He's very eloquent. But when you look past it, he has opposed offshore drilling and he has opposed nuclear power.
Again, one of the things I was trying to stress in the campaign and in the debate last night, look at the gap between his rhetoric and his record.
The most liberal senator in the United States Senate: that's why I urged the people watching last night, go to these Web sites, the National Taxpayers Union, Citizens Against Government Waste, and these other watchdog organizations.
Finally, this may sound a bit gratuitous, but at least because Senator — Governor Palin — Sarah Palin is so persuasive, I would like to come to Alaska, I haven't been there in many years anyway, and maybe I'll agree to go visit that area and have a look.
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: Are you going to take him moose hunting?
PALIN: Yes, let's do that too, while we're at it.
HANNITY: Would you do that, Senator?
MCCAIN: Have some fish, you know, but moose hunting is fine.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: Coming up, does John McCain think Barack Obama has the experience to lead this country? Sean pressed him on that and found out why it's not Obama's experience that McCain is worried about. More of Sean's exclusive sit-down.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
COLMES: We now continue with Sean's exclusive sit-down with Senator John McCain and Governor Sarah Palin.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
HANNITY: Well, this came up last night. And this came up in your debate here. You used the line last night, which interestingly, was a line that Senator Biden used about Senator Obama back when they were debating. And that is the presidency does not lend itself to on-the-job training.
And that raises the question — I mean, because it seems to me a narrative has emerged, you know, the same lines that were used in the first debate by Senator Obama were used by Joe Biden in the second debate, were used by Senator Obama in the third debate.
Do you really believe that Senator Obama is prepared to be president of the United States? Does he have the experience?
MCCAIN: I don't. But I'll let the American people make a judgment in just 28 days. But I think he lacks the experience and the knowledge, and most importantly, the judgment that he has displayed.
The judgment that he displayed over his comments when Russia committed aggression against Georgia, and his failure, as I mentioned last night, to acknowledge that he was wrong about the surge.
He is — in my view, does not have the judgment necessary to lead this country in very difficult times. And his record is replete with those misjudgments, whether it be his comments about — in Afghanistan, all Americans are doing is bombing villages and killing innocent civilians.
HANNITY: That quote is "air-raiding villages and killing civilians."
MCCAIN: "Air-raiding villages," I mean, that's so insulting to the men and women who are serving in the military. I think that he should at least retract that statement. But I think the important thing is his world view, his willingness to sit down with Ahmadinejad without precondition, or Hugo Chavez, or the Castro brothers, with precondition, giving them legitimacy, affirming their behavior and attitude towards their own people as well as towards us.
It shows a lack of knowledge and experience, and therefore, judgment.
HANNITY: Governor Palin, you had echoed those comments in recent days, this was immediately after the debate. And you actually — (INAUDIBLE) that Senator McCain just mentioned, "air-raiding villages and killing civilians," you said that that should disqualify him, meaning Barack Obama, from being commander-in-chief.
PALIN: Because there is such a gross misunderstanding of what our U.S. troops are doing in Afghanistan. What they're doing, of course, is fighting terrorism and protecting us, protecting our country.
And you know, they're building schools for the children in Afghanistan so that there is hope and opportunity there. So that just — that gross misunderstanding of what the United States military's mission is right now is very, very concerning.
MCCAIN: Could I mention one other point on his record?
HANNITY: Yes, sir.
MCCAIN: Senator Obama said that he would never vote to cut off the funding of American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. After promising that, he and a handful of others voted that way. Now both he and Senator Biden said, well, it's the same vote that I cast. I cast a vote against withdrawal and surrender.
And I had promised that I do everything that I could to fight against any resolution that would entail withdrawal — set dates for withdrawal and therefore defeat in Iraq. So they're vastly different votes, they're vastly different.
HANNITY: Well, and Senator Biden had actually criticized him and said if you vote to cut off the funding...
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: Well, he said lives would be lost.
MCCAIN: Yes. And has also said that Senator Obama took a quote "political vote." I agree with Senator Biden.
HANNITY: One of the things that keeps coming up is the economy, the economy. And maybe both of you can answer this question because it came up in your two debates and your one debate, 95 percent of the American people are not going to see their taxes go up.
You spent a lot of time in your debate dealing with that. You spent a lot of time in your debate dealing with that. Is that honest? Is that truthful?
MCCAIN: Well, first of all, it's not truthful in the respect that 50 percent or 40 percent of the American people — of taxpayers — American citizens don't pay taxes, federal income taxes. So right there, that obviously is wrong. And maybe that means that he just wants to give them a check. But I don't know if you could interpret that as a quote "tax cut."
But more importantly, Senator Obama didn't tell, nor did he deny last night, that his plan raises taxes on small business income. Small business created 300,000 jobs last year. We've lost this — so far this year, we've lost 700,000 and some jobs. Small business has created some 300,000 jobs.
Eight-four percent of employees, workers in America are employed by small business. And he wants to tax 50 percent of small business income. That kills jobs. That keeps people from hiring.
So with Senator Obama's rhetoric, you always have to, one, look at the rhetoric, and two, look at the fine print.
HANNITY: Do you think that — and I'll ask you, Governor Palin, this, do you think — for example, both of you have brought up the fact in two of the debates that he keeps saying — you have made a point, well, wait a minute, you raised taxes 94 times, you had only been in the Senate a short period of time, and you voted to raise taxes on people making $42,000 a year and now you're saying that — no, that's not going to happen for 95 percent of the people.
So is this just something — is this a misnomer? Is this, you know, campaign rhetoric? Is he being dishonest, just not truthful with the American people?
PALIN: Voters have got to go to someone's record and see what they have proven already in terms of what they're capable of doing in the future, 94 times being on the wrong side of the American people in voting for higher taxes.
And then he proposing to spend now nearly a trillion dollars in new government growth. He doesn't explain how he is going to get the money to pay for that also. And then too, these three years in the Senate that nearly $1 million a day in his own requests in earmarks for government to spend it.
That's somebody's record. I mean, you know, it shouldn't be controversial, it shouldn't hurt anybody's feelings or anything else. But these types of issues are brought up as somebody — it's somebody's record.
Now, that's as opposed to John McCain's record and my record where we have truly — that track record that shows the reform, the desire to and the success in putting government back on the side of the people, our small businesses and our families.
MCCAIN: And one additional point.
HANNITY: Sure.
MCCAIN: When he ran for this — for the United States Senate, he said he supported a middle income, working family's tax cuts. He never introduced a single piece of legislation to implement that. And instead, he voted 94 times to either increase people's taxes, or against tax cuts and — voted for a resolution which called for taxing individuals who make as low as $42,000 a year. Again, look at the record.
HANNITY: Now you brought up in your debate, Senator, that since the time you've been in Senate, about — I think you said a $1 million of pork a day —
MCCAIN: Roughly.
HANNITY: Roughly. Joe Biden, last year, I think it was $120 million in pork barrels that he brought back to the state of Delaware. Both of them were — pretty much dismissive (ph) and say that's not that much money. Is that —
MCCAIN: The fascinating thing is when he says it's only $18 billion. Now, it's a lot more than that. $18 billion — anybody but an inside the beltway pork barreler would think it's not a lot of money. And you know the other thing that they keep not talking about, Sean, is the corrupting influence.
Now, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — we blew the whistle two years ago, a bunch of us. And Fannie and Freddie — with campaign contributions to the same kind of system — were basically gaining and purchasing influence so that the Democrats were fighting back against any real regulation and bringing under control what a lot of us said was going to be a train wreck. That's the pernicious part.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
HANNITY: And coming up Governor Palin has been hitting Obama hard on the campaign trail over his ties to the unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
HANNITY: And we now continue with more of my exclusive interview with Senator John McCain and Governor Sarah Palin.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
HANNITY: Governor, you in the last couple of days, this past Saturday, The New York Times came out with an article about the relationship between Senator Obama and a man by the name of Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers takes credit for — of all days — in The New York Times, September 11th 2001 says, I don't regret setting bombs, I wish we did more. A man who admits to bombing the Pentagon, the Capitol, New York City police headquarters, whose motto was — get all the rich people, break their cars and houses, and go home and kill your parents. How big — we expected this would come up last night in the debate. It did not. What — what more do you want to know about this relationship? What does it tell you about Barack Obama?
PALIN: Tells me again we need to question his judgment. And — not only those terrorist activities that Bill Ayers was involved in, but the questions need to be asked, I believe, when did Barack Obama know of these activities? We've heard so many confliction stories, and flip-flop answers about when he knew the guy, did he realize that he knocked off his political career in the guy's living room?
First it was yes, and then it was no. It comes down to again, judgment and truthfulness and a candidate's character.
HANNITY: Well we know — we know that he did kick off his political career —
PALIN: Right.
HANNITY: — in his house. The year was '95. You know they sat on multiple boards together. We know they've given speeches together. We know there's been sort of a back and forth financially. Ayers contributing to Obama, Obama sort of working some money back through them.
What questions, Senator, would you like answered as it relates to this relationship? And do you think the American people should care about this?
MCCAIN: I think they should care about Senator Obama's truthfulness. I don't care much about an old terrorist and his wife who are still unrepentant. By the way, she was as much or more active than Mr.Ayers was.
But the point is, it's not about them. It's about Senator Obama being candid and straight forward with the American people about their relationship. He has dismissed it by saying he was just a guy in the neighborhood. You know it's much more than that. Let's reveal all the details of that relationship and then the American people can make a judgment.
HANNITY: But here's a question — his answer is, well, I hardly knew him. I was 8-years-old when he committed these — quote — "despicable acts." That's his answer.
But he was in his 30s and 40s when he sat on a board with him —
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: — and was in living room. And I guess my question is, should the American people be concerned that he's capable in a post-9/11 world of fighting terrorism, when he is friends with an unrepentant terrorist?
MCCAIN: Well, I think that's also part of the judgment the American people make. But first, I think we ought to have a full and complete examination of the relationship. And then the American people can make a judgment. And so far, I think it's very clear that he was a lot more than just a guy in the neighbor.
HANNITY: You think this needs to be asked more in your next debate? Do you think it should have — because a lot of us in the media are sitting back thinking — because of The New York Times and because of your comments, Governor — that this is something that needs to be vetted out.
MCCAIN: Well I hope it's vetted out, if it needs to be vetted out. And I think the American people understand whether Senator Obama has been truthful and candidate about his entire relationship with Mr.Ayers, and with others very frankly.
HANNITY: Let's talk about others.
MCCAIN: Including the ACORN organization.
HANNITY: Well, we've got — this is now part of a larger narrative that's emerging. And the Obama campaign seems very, very defensive about this. They don't want any questions, how dare you ask, this is unfair. But he's friends with Father Pfleger, a radical — fairly radical figure in Chicago, Tony Rezko, a convicted slumlord, we have him on tape. And we know that he spent 20 years in the pews of Reverend Wright, who has said the most outrageous things, including G.D. America and "America's chickens have come home to roost" after 9/11.
What does that tell you, Governor, about Senator Obama and his radical associations?
PALIN: It goes right back again to the candidate's judgment and who he chooses to associate himself with in the past, perhaps the present. It makes me question who he would associate himself with in the future.
HANNITY: Yes. And we should — Americans should be concerned about it.
PALIN: I'm concerned about it.
HANNITY: In what way?
PALIN: Concerned about it because, again, somebody's track record says so much about who they are and where they want to lead this country.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
COLMES: And coming up, more of Sean's exclusive interview. McCain and Palin explain why they're happy and comfortable to be the role of the underdog.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
COLMES: We continue with Sean's exclusive interview with Senator John McCain and Governor Sarah Palin.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
HANNITY: Senator, your life story is you spent five-and-a-half years in the Hanoi Hilton. I think what I read, almost every bone in your body has been broken. And you've been tortured. And by the way, one of the reasons you don't use the computer, they ran that ad, is because of your war injuries.
And you cannot lift your arms above your shoulders...
MCCAIN: Yes, I can do better than that.
(LAUGHTER)
HANNITY: But think of how this war has been politicized through the prism of your experience in Vietnam. The leader in the Senate, Harry Reid, said, "the surge has failed, the war is lost." Dick Durbin compared our troops to Nazis. John Kerry said our troops are invading Iraqis homes in the dark of night, you know, terrorizing women and children.
There are verbatim quotes. And Barack Obama said they are "air-raiding villages and killing civilians." My question is, you know, what does that — that's poisonous rhetoric, but it goes on, what does it mean? How do you stop that if you're elected president and vice president?
MCCAIN: Well, we'll show them victory. The American people understand what is at stake here. And the American people have rejected that. And a lot of voters will be making a judgment.
When the majority leader of the Senate declares the war lost, then a legitimate question is, who won? Al Qaeda? Who won? So these comments have been reminiscent in many ways to some of the rhetoric that was used during the Vietnam War that harmed our veterans so much, and harmed their ability to come all the way home.
Words matter. Words matter. And when Senator Harry Reid declares that the war is lost, well, our young Americans who are over there putting their lives on the line, it's not right.
HANNITY: All right. Last question. Tell us a little bit more about your relationship as it has grown. And I want the inside story about how you decided to ask Governor Palin and how that conversation — I've got you together, so I want both versions before we let you go.
MCCAIN: I really was looking for someone who could shake things up in Washington and reform. And very frankly, there are some very wonderful people out there that we had to consider.
But I saw this as a real breath of fresh air that would sweep across America, give people inspiration, which Sarah Palin has, which would excite our base. But most of all, that Americans could look forward to to reform the way we do business in Washington and restore trust and competence.
It's not an accident that Sarah Palin is the most popular governor in America. It's not an accident that she has given the people of Alaska, money back. That she has cut spending and that she's done the things that we need to translate to our nation's capital.
HANNITY: Governor, your side of the story. When did you really begin to realize that Senator McCain was seriously thinking about electing you as VP. And you said you wouldn't blink. But, as that process was — when did you think, this may happen?
PALIN: Oh, you know, really not until maybe we were face to face and I could look him in the eye and see the serious voice he will to offer this challenge to me, this responsibility that he asked that I could take on and of course, I was so happy to.
But, you for the years, I've been a big fan of his because of that independent (INAUDIBLE) that courses through your veins. And that's made me admire him. And I knew it was confirmation, it was right on that I was to support him when early on in the presidential race, he had said something in the newspaper that was controversial, imagine that, about what was going on in the administration. It was independent, is what he had used, the tone of his comments.
And I had been asked about it up in Alaska, by the local press and I said, oh no. It was spot on. You know? We don't need to keep going down that track, something that the administration was going on. And then I got a call from the Republican member of Congress who said, yes, I understand that you're thinking about supporting McCain. Well, let me tell you about the Hell he's put me through with earmark reform.
And I said, right on. That's confirmation. He is the guy that I'm going to support.
HANNITY: It's so (INAUDIBLE). You've got (INAUDIBLE) two points. A two point race today. You got hotline as a one point race today. CBS has it as a three point race and it's even tighter among likely voters.
Do you view yourselves as underdogs?
PALIN: It makes us work even harder. It does.
MCCAIN: We're the underdogs. She was an underdog when she took on a Republican incumbent governor.
(CROSSTALK)
(LAUGHTER)
MCCAIN: I was the underdog throughout the primaries.
HANNITY: That's true.
MCCAIN: You might recall, many declared our candidacy dead. We are glad to be in the underdog role here. It excites and motivates our supporters. It gives Independents another look at us and I'm very happy with where we are, Sean. I couldn't be happier.
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